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Porque nações "democráticas centenárias" torturam em nome da democracia. Obrigado ocidente!
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A legal adviser to the US has conceded that her country has “crossed the line” since the September 11 attacks, assuring that Washington takes responsibility for its deeds.
“In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, we [the US] regrettably did not always live up to our own values, including those reflected in the [UN] Convention [Against Torture],” Mary McLeod, US acting legal adviser from the Department of State, told the Committee Against Torture, a UN body that aims to prevent torture and inhuman treatment around the world.
“As President Obama has acknowledged, we crossed the line and we take responsibility for that,” she said.
Ten independent experts from the UN anti-torture body gathered to ‘grill’ some 30 senior US officials, including McLeod, in Geneva, Switzerland, for the first time since 2006. The committee discussed issues dealing with torture at CIA ‘black sites’, Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba and detention of illegal immigrants.
"There's sort of a common denominator about all of our questions, and that is implementation of transparency and accountability," Jens Modvig, one of the panel's investigators, told AFP.
A day before the panel, the committee gathered evidence from anti-torture activists, death penalty experts, Murat Kurnaz, a former Guantanamo detainee, and the parents of Michael Brown, a black teenage boy from Ferguson, Missouri, who was shot in August by a white police officer.
Kurnaz, who was held at Guantanamo Bay for five years before being released without charges, said that148 prisoners still remain at the notorious prison.
"I cannot believe that Guantanamo is still open… Just being at Guantanamo is torture," he told AFP, adding that many of the remaining detainees "are as innocent as I am.”
The parents of Michael Brown, met the members of the UN anti-torture body behind closed doors on Tuesday.
READ MORE: Ferguson grand jury decision: Gun sales spike, Missouri Gov vows strong response to protests
"We came here to the UN to get justice for our son," Michael Brown Sr. told reporters.
During the Committee panel McLeod claimed that “the US is proud of its record as a leader in respecting, promoting, and defending human rights and the rule of law, both at home and around the world.”
A US naval medic explains the feeding chair at the US Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on August 7, 2013. (AFP Photo/Chantal Valery)A US naval medic explains the feeding chair at the US Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on August 7, 2013. (AFP Photo/Chantal Valery)
According to McLeod, Washington follows the Executive Order on Lawful Interrogations, which states that “any individual detained in armed conflict by the United States or within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by the United States, in all circumstances, must be treated humanely and must not be tortured or subjected to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.”
But Laura Pitter, representing Human Rights Watch said HRW is still concerned that the US was still limiting the applicability of Convention against Torture.
"It should apply wherever the US has effective control, not merely where it has governmental authority," she told AFP, adding that the move "does little to allay concerns that the US is looking for wiggle room in terms of how it applies its treaty obligations."
Bush admin accused of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’
Several delegates of the Committee said that some abuses in torture took place during the ‘War on Terror’ (WOT), also known as the ‘Global War on Terrorism’ (GWOT). First used by US President George W. Bush, the term applied to the international military campaign launched after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
According to the UN body, Bush authorized the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" like waterboarding.
"We have cleaned up those policies," a US official, told APFP on condition of anonymity, adding that most of the criticism since 2009 centered on ensuring accountability for past abuses.
In the meantime, according to Jamil Dakwar from American Civil Liberties Union said that “six years into the Obama administration, [it] has not provided full accountability for torture and abuse in US custody, especially in CIA detention,"
“The legacy of this administration could foster immunity and impunity for torture and abuse, both at home and abroad," he said.
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A legal adviser to the US has conceded that her country has “crossed the line” since the September 11 attacks, assuring that Washington takes responsibility for its deeds.
“In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, we [the US] regrettably did not always live up to our own values, including those reflected in the [UN] Convention [Against Torture],” Mary McLeod, US acting legal adviser from the Department of State, told the Committee Against Torture, a UN body that aims to prevent torture and inhuman treatment around the world.
“As President Obama has acknowledged, we crossed the line and we take responsibility for that,” she said.
Ten independent experts from the UN anti-torture body gathered to ‘grill’ some 30 senior US officials, including McLeod, in Geneva, Switzerland, for the first time since 2006. The committee discussed issues dealing with torture at CIA ‘black sites’, Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba and detention of illegal immigrants.
"There's sort of a common denominator about all of our questions, and that is implementation of transparency and accountability," Jens Modvig, one of the panel's investigators, told AFP.
A day before the panel, the committee gathered evidence from anti-torture activists, death penalty experts, Murat Kurnaz, a former Guantanamo detainee, and the parents of Michael Brown, a black teenage boy from Ferguson, Missouri, who was shot in August by a white police officer.
Kurnaz, who was held at Guantanamo Bay for five years before being released without charges, said that148 prisoners still remain at the notorious prison.
"I cannot believe that Guantanamo is still open… Just being at Guantanamo is torture," he told AFP, adding that many of the remaining detainees "are as innocent as I am.”
The parents of Michael Brown, met the members of the UN anti-torture body behind closed doors on Tuesday.
READ MORE: Ferguson grand jury decision: Gun sales spike, Missouri Gov vows strong response to protests
"We came here to the UN to get justice for our son," Michael Brown Sr. told reporters.
During the Committee panel McLeod claimed that “the US is proud of its record as a leader in respecting, promoting, and defending human rights and the rule of law, both at home and around the world.”
A US naval medic explains the feeding chair at the US Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on August 7, 2013. (AFP Photo/Chantal Valery)A US naval medic explains the feeding chair at the US Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on August 7, 2013. (AFP Photo/Chantal Valery)
According to McLeod, Washington follows the Executive Order on Lawful Interrogations, which states that “any individual detained in armed conflict by the United States or within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by the United States, in all circumstances, must be treated humanely and must not be tortured or subjected to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.”
But Laura Pitter, representing Human Rights Watch said HRW is still concerned that the US was still limiting the applicability of Convention against Torture.
"It should apply wherever the US has effective control, not merely where it has governmental authority," she told AFP, adding that the move "does little to allay concerns that the US is looking for wiggle room in terms of how it applies its treaty obligations."
Bush admin accused of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’
Several delegates of the Committee said that some abuses in torture took place during the ‘War on Terror’ (WOT), also known as the ‘Global War on Terrorism’ (GWOT). First used by US President George W. Bush, the term applied to the international military campaign launched after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
According to the UN body, Bush authorized the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" like waterboarding.
"We have cleaned up those policies," a US official, told APFP on condition of anonymity, adding that most of the criticism since 2009 centered on ensuring accountability for past abuses.
In the meantime, according to Jamil Dakwar from American Civil Liberties Union said that “six years into the Obama administration, [it] has not provided full accountability for torture and abuse in US custody, especially in CIA detention,"
“The legacy of this administration could foster immunity and impunity for torture and abuse, both at home and abroad," he said.
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Mais uma da série "democracias centenárias": como combater super potências como a Hungria quando elas contrariam seus interesses e seus designos.
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25 years ago, Hungary was being toasted in the West for opening its border with Austria to East Germans, in a move which led to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now the Western elites are not happy with Budapest which they consider far too independent.
The refusal of Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his ruling Fidesz party to join the new US and EU Cold War against Russia, which has seen the Hungarian parliament approving a law to build the South Stream gas pipeline without the approval of the European Union, in addition to the populist economic policies Fidesz has adopted against the largely foreign owned banks and energy companies, has been met with an angry response from Washington and Brussels.
Hungarian officials have been banned from entering the US, while the European Commission has demanded that the Hungarians explain their decision to go ahead with South Stream. That’s on top of the European Commission launching legal action against the Hungarian government for its law restricting the rights of foreigners to buy agricultural land.
The bullying of Hungary hasn’t made many headlines because it’s so-called “democrats” from the West who have been doing the bullying.
Viktor Orban is not a communist, he is a nationally-minded conservative who was an anti-communist activist in the late 1980s, but the attacks on him and his government demonstrate that it doesn’t matter what label you go under - if you don’t do exactly what Uncle Sam and the Euro-elite tell you to do - your country will come under great pressure to conform. And all of course in the name of “freedom” and “democracy.”
Fidesz has been upsetting some powerful people in the West ever since returning to power in 2010. The previous “Socialist”-led administration was hugely popular in the West because it did everything Washington and Brussels and the international banking set wanted. It imposed austerity on ordinary people, it privatized large sections of the economy, and it took out an unnecessary IMF loan. Ironically, the conservative-minded Fidesz party has proved to be much better socialists in power than the big-business and banker friendly “Socialists” they replaced.
One of the first things that Fidesz and its coalition allies, the Christian Democratic People’s Party, (KDNP) did was to introduce an $855m bank tax - the highest such tax in Europe - a measure which had the financial elite foaming at the mouth.
Orban clashed with the IMF too, with his government rejecting new loan terms in 2012, and paying off early a loan taken out by the previous government, to reduce interest payments.
Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban (Reuters / Bernadett Szabo)Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban (Reuters / Bernadett Szabo)
In 2013, Orban took on the foreign-owned energy giants with his government imposing cuts of over 20% on bills. Neoliberals expressed their outrage at such “interventionist” policies, but under Orban, the economy has improved. Although it’s true that many still look back nostalgically to the days of “goulash communism” in the 1970s and 80s when there were jobs for all and food on the table for everyone. Unemployment fell to 7.4 percent in the third-quarter of this year; it was around 11 percent when Fidesz took power, while real wages rose by 2.9 percent in the year up to July.
The man his enemies called the “Viktator,” has shown that he will pursue whatever economic policies he believes are in his country’s national interest, regardless of the opinions of the western elite who want the Hungarian economy to be geared to their needs.
His refusal to scrap his country’s bank tax is one example; the closer commercial links with Russia are another. Russia is Hungary’s third biggest trading partner and ties between the two countries have strengthened in the last couple of years, to the consternation of western Russophobes. In April, a deal was struck for Moscow to loan Hungary €10 billion to help upgrade its nuclear plant at Paks.
Orban’s policy of improving trade and business links with Russia, while staying a member of the EU and NATO, has however been put under increasing strain by the new hostile policy towards Moscow from Washington and Brussels.
Orban again, has annoyed the West by sticking up for Hungary’s own interests. In May he faced attack when he had the temerity to speak up for the rights of the 200,000 strong Hungarian community living in Ukraine.”Ukraine can neither be stable, nor democratic, if it does not give its minorities, including Hungarians, their due. That is dual citizenship, collective rights and autonomy.” Hungary’s Ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Kiev. Donald Tusk, Prime Minister of Poland, the US’s most obedient lapdog in Eastern Europe, called Orban’s comments “unfortunate and disturbing” as if it was anything to do with him or his country.
In August, Orban accurately described the sanctions policy of the West towards Russia as like “shooting oneself in the foot.”“The EU should not only compensate producers somehow, be they Polish, Slovak, Hungarian or Greek, who now have to suffer losses, but the entire sanctions policy should be reconsidered,” Orban said.
In October, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto also questioned the sanctions on Russia, revealing that his country is losing 50 million forints a day due to the policy.
Hungary has made its position clear, but for daring to question EU and US policy, and for its rapprochement with Moscow, the country has been punished.
It’s democratically elected civilian government which enjoys high levels of public support, has ludicrously - and obscenely - been likened to military governments which have massacred their opponents. "From Hungary to Egypt, endless regulations and overt intimidation increasingly target civil society," declared US President Barack Obama in September.
Last month there was another salvo fired at Hungary - it was announced that the US had banned six unnamed Hungarian government officials from entering America, citing concerns over corruption- without the US providing any proof of the corruption.
RIA Novosti / Ramil SitdikovRIA Novosti / Ramil Sitdikov
"At a certain point, the situation, if it continues this way, will deteriorate to the extent where it is impossible to work together as an ally," warned the Charge D’Affaires of the US Embassy in Budapest, Andre Goodfriend. The decision and the failure to provide any evidence, understandably caused outrage in Hungary. “The government of Hungary is somewhat baffled at the events that have unfolded because this is not the way friends deal with issues," said Janos Lazar, Orban‘s chief of staff.
The timing of the ban has to be noted, coming after the Hungarian government had criticized the sanctions on Russia and just before the national Parliament was due to vote on the South Stream pipeline. The pipeline, which would allow gas to be transported from Russia via the Black Sea and the Balkans to south and central Europe without passing through Ukraine, is a project which Russophobes in the West want cancelled.
"I am inclined to think that it is a punishment for the fact that we talk to Russia," said Gabor Stier, the head foreign policy editor of the leading Hungarian newspaper Magyar Nemzet.
"America thinks that we are corrupt, but we are a sovereign state, and it is our business. Many people in the United States do not like that Viktor Orban is very independent…..Corruption is just an excuse."
It’s hard to disagree with Stier’s conclusions. Of course, there is corruption in Hungary, as there is in every country, but it pales in comparison with some countries who are faithful US allies and who Washington never criticizes. The 2013 Corruption Perceptions Index compiled by Transparency International, reveals that Latvia, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and Bosnia-Herzegovina are all below Hungary, as indeed is Italy. Yet it’s Hungarian officials that the US is banning.
True to form, the attacks on Orban and his government in the Western media have chimed with the political attacks. ‘Is Hungary, the EU’s only dictatorship?’ asked Bloomberg View in April. The BBC ran a hostile piece on Orban and Fidesz in October entitled Cracks Emerge in leading party, and which referred to “government corruption” and “the playboy lifestyle of numerous party officials.”
The piece looked forward to the end of Fidesz rule.
While earlier this week, the New York Times published an OpEd by Kati Marton, whose late husband Richard Holbrooke, was a leading US diplomat, entitled Hungary’s Authoritarian Descent. You’d never guess that the Hungarian government wasn’t the flavor of the month in the West would you?
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, left, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at their meeting in Budapest (RIA Novosti / Eduard Pesov)Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, left, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at their meeting in Budapest (RIA Novosti / Eduard Pesov)
The question which has to be asked is: will Hungary be the next country to be the target of a US/EU sponsored regime change?
We all know what happened to the last Viktor who refused to sever links with Russia. Will Orban suffer the same fate as Ukraine’s Yanukovich? There are good reasons for believing that he won’t.
Fidesz did make a mistake by announcing the introduction of a new internet tax last month, which brought thousands onto the streets to protest but they have since dropped the plans and the problem for the US and EU is that Orban and his government remain too popular. In October’s local elections Fidesz won 19 of Hungary’s 21 larger towns and cities, including the capital city Budapest, not bad for a party that‘s been in power since May 2010.
Orban’s brand of economic populism, combined with moderate nationalism, goes down well in a country where people remember just how awful things were when the neoliberal “Socialists” were in power. His style of leadership may be authoritarian, but Hungarians prefer having a leader who has cut fuel bills and reduced unemployment to one who mouths platitudes about “liberal democracy” but who imposed harsh austerity measures and leaves them unable to afford the daily essentials.
Moreover Hungary, is already a member of the EU and NATO unlike Ukraine under Yanukovich and isn't about to leave either soon. On a recent visit to America Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto told the US TODAY newspaper “US is our friend, US is our closest ally.” The US clearly wants more from Hungary than just words, but while both Washington and Brussels would like to see a more obedient government in Budapest, the “liberal” and faux-left parties they support simply don't have enough popular support for the reasons outlined above. And things would be even worse for the West if the radical nationalist party Jobbik, the third largest party in Parliament, and which made gains in October’s local elections, came to power- or if there was a genuine socialist/communist revival in the country. The fact is that Orban is in a very strong position and he knows it. That’s why he feels able to face down the threats from abroad and maintain a level of independence even though total independence is impossible within the EU and NATO.
We can expect the attacks on Orban and his government to intensify but the more the West attacks, the more popular Orban, who is able to present himself as the defender of Hungary’s national interests, becomes.
Hungary gave the West everything it wanted in 1989, and, as I pointed out here, its “reform” communist leadership was richly rewarded. But in 2014 it’s a very different story. In the interests of democracy and small countries standing up to bullying by powerful elites, long may Hungary’s spirited defiance continue.
Hajra, magyarok! Hajra Magyarorszag!
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25 years ago, Hungary was being toasted in the West for opening its border with Austria to East Germans, in a move which led to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now the Western elites are not happy with Budapest which they consider far too independent.
The refusal of Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his ruling Fidesz party to join the new US and EU Cold War against Russia, which has seen the Hungarian parliament approving a law to build the South Stream gas pipeline without the approval of the European Union, in addition to the populist economic policies Fidesz has adopted against the largely foreign owned banks and energy companies, has been met with an angry response from Washington and Brussels.
Hungarian officials have been banned from entering the US, while the European Commission has demanded that the Hungarians explain their decision to go ahead with South Stream. That’s on top of the European Commission launching legal action against the Hungarian government for its law restricting the rights of foreigners to buy agricultural land.
The bullying of Hungary hasn’t made many headlines because it’s so-called “democrats” from the West who have been doing the bullying.
Viktor Orban is not a communist, he is a nationally-minded conservative who was an anti-communist activist in the late 1980s, but the attacks on him and his government demonstrate that it doesn’t matter what label you go under - if you don’t do exactly what Uncle Sam and the Euro-elite tell you to do - your country will come under great pressure to conform. And all of course in the name of “freedom” and “democracy.”
Fidesz has been upsetting some powerful people in the West ever since returning to power in 2010. The previous “Socialist”-led administration was hugely popular in the West because it did everything Washington and Brussels and the international banking set wanted. It imposed austerity on ordinary people, it privatized large sections of the economy, and it took out an unnecessary IMF loan. Ironically, the conservative-minded Fidesz party has proved to be much better socialists in power than the big-business and banker friendly “Socialists” they replaced.
One of the first things that Fidesz and its coalition allies, the Christian Democratic People’s Party, (KDNP) did was to introduce an $855m bank tax - the highest such tax in Europe - a measure which had the financial elite foaming at the mouth.
Orban clashed with the IMF too, with his government rejecting new loan terms in 2012, and paying off early a loan taken out by the previous government, to reduce interest payments.
Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban (Reuters / Bernadett Szabo)Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban (Reuters / Bernadett Szabo)
In 2013, Orban took on the foreign-owned energy giants with his government imposing cuts of over 20% on bills. Neoliberals expressed their outrage at such “interventionist” policies, but under Orban, the economy has improved. Although it’s true that many still look back nostalgically to the days of “goulash communism” in the 1970s and 80s when there were jobs for all and food on the table for everyone. Unemployment fell to 7.4 percent in the third-quarter of this year; it was around 11 percent when Fidesz took power, while real wages rose by 2.9 percent in the year up to July.
The man his enemies called the “Viktator,” has shown that he will pursue whatever economic policies he believes are in his country’s national interest, regardless of the opinions of the western elite who want the Hungarian economy to be geared to their needs.
His refusal to scrap his country’s bank tax is one example; the closer commercial links with Russia are another. Russia is Hungary’s third biggest trading partner and ties between the two countries have strengthened in the last couple of years, to the consternation of western Russophobes. In April, a deal was struck for Moscow to loan Hungary €10 billion to help upgrade its nuclear plant at Paks.
Orban’s policy of improving trade and business links with Russia, while staying a member of the EU and NATO, has however been put under increasing strain by the new hostile policy towards Moscow from Washington and Brussels.
Orban again, has annoyed the West by sticking up for Hungary’s own interests. In May he faced attack when he had the temerity to speak up for the rights of the 200,000 strong Hungarian community living in Ukraine.”Ukraine can neither be stable, nor democratic, if it does not give its minorities, including Hungarians, their due. That is dual citizenship, collective rights and autonomy.” Hungary’s Ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Kiev. Donald Tusk, Prime Minister of Poland, the US’s most obedient lapdog in Eastern Europe, called Orban’s comments “unfortunate and disturbing” as if it was anything to do with him or his country.
In August, Orban accurately described the sanctions policy of the West towards Russia as like “shooting oneself in the foot.”“The EU should not only compensate producers somehow, be they Polish, Slovak, Hungarian or Greek, who now have to suffer losses, but the entire sanctions policy should be reconsidered,” Orban said.
In October, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto also questioned the sanctions on Russia, revealing that his country is losing 50 million forints a day due to the policy.
Hungary has made its position clear, but for daring to question EU and US policy, and for its rapprochement with Moscow, the country has been punished.
It’s democratically elected civilian government which enjoys high levels of public support, has ludicrously - and obscenely - been likened to military governments which have massacred their opponents. "From Hungary to Egypt, endless regulations and overt intimidation increasingly target civil society," declared US President Barack Obama in September.
Last month there was another salvo fired at Hungary - it was announced that the US had banned six unnamed Hungarian government officials from entering America, citing concerns over corruption- without the US providing any proof of the corruption.
RIA Novosti / Ramil SitdikovRIA Novosti / Ramil Sitdikov
"At a certain point, the situation, if it continues this way, will deteriorate to the extent where it is impossible to work together as an ally," warned the Charge D’Affaires of the US Embassy in Budapest, Andre Goodfriend. The decision and the failure to provide any evidence, understandably caused outrage in Hungary. “The government of Hungary is somewhat baffled at the events that have unfolded because this is not the way friends deal with issues," said Janos Lazar, Orban‘s chief of staff.
The timing of the ban has to be noted, coming after the Hungarian government had criticized the sanctions on Russia and just before the national Parliament was due to vote on the South Stream pipeline. The pipeline, which would allow gas to be transported from Russia via the Black Sea and the Balkans to south and central Europe without passing through Ukraine, is a project which Russophobes in the West want cancelled.
"I am inclined to think that it is a punishment for the fact that we talk to Russia," said Gabor Stier, the head foreign policy editor of the leading Hungarian newspaper Magyar Nemzet.
"America thinks that we are corrupt, but we are a sovereign state, and it is our business. Many people in the United States do not like that Viktor Orban is very independent…..Corruption is just an excuse."
It’s hard to disagree with Stier’s conclusions. Of course, there is corruption in Hungary, as there is in every country, but it pales in comparison with some countries who are faithful US allies and who Washington never criticizes. The 2013 Corruption Perceptions Index compiled by Transparency International, reveals that Latvia, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and Bosnia-Herzegovina are all below Hungary, as indeed is Italy. Yet it’s Hungarian officials that the US is banning.
True to form, the attacks on Orban and his government in the Western media have chimed with the political attacks. ‘Is Hungary, the EU’s only dictatorship?’ asked Bloomberg View in April. The BBC ran a hostile piece on Orban and Fidesz in October entitled Cracks Emerge in leading party, and which referred to “government corruption” and “the playboy lifestyle of numerous party officials.”
The piece looked forward to the end of Fidesz rule.
While earlier this week, the New York Times published an OpEd by Kati Marton, whose late husband Richard Holbrooke, was a leading US diplomat, entitled Hungary’s Authoritarian Descent. You’d never guess that the Hungarian government wasn’t the flavor of the month in the West would you?
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, left, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at their meeting in Budapest (RIA Novosti / Eduard Pesov)Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, left, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at their meeting in Budapest (RIA Novosti / Eduard Pesov)
The question which has to be asked is: will Hungary be the next country to be the target of a US/EU sponsored regime change?
We all know what happened to the last Viktor who refused to sever links with Russia. Will Orban suffer the same fate as Ukraine’s Yanukovich? There are good reasons for believing that he won’t.
Fidesz did make a mistake by announcing the introduction of a new internet tax last month, which brought thousands onto the streets to protest but they have since dropped the plans and the problem for the US and EU is that Orban and his government remain too popular. In October’s local elections Fidesz won 19 of Hungary’s 21 larger towns and cities, including the capital city Budapest, not bad for a party that‘s been in power since May 2010.
Orban’s brand of economic populism, combined with moderate nationalism, goes down well in a country where people remember just how awful things were when the neoliberal “Socialists” were in power. His style of leadership may be authoritarian, but Hungarians prefer having a leader who has cut fuel bills and reduced unemployment to one who mouths platitudes about “liberal democracy” but who imposed harsh austerity measures and leaves them unable to afford the daily essentials.
Moreover Hungary, is already a member of the EU and NATO unlike Ukraine under Yanukovich and isn't about to leave either soon. On a recent visit to America Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto told the US TODAY newspaper “US is our friend, US is our closest ally.” The US clearly wants more from Hungary than just words, but while both Washington and Brussels would like to see a more obedient government in Budapest, the “liberal” and faux-left parties they support simply don't have enough popular support for the reasons outlined above. And things would be even worse for the West if the radical nationalist party Jobbik, the third largest party in Parliament, and which made gains in October’s local elections, came to power- or if there was a genuine socialist/communist revival in the country. The fact is that Orban is in a very strong position and he knows it. That’s why he feels able to face down the threats from abroad and maintain a level of independence even though total independence is impossible within the EU and NATO.
We can expect the attacks on Orban and his government to intensify but the more the West attacks, the more popular Orban, who is able to present himself as the defender of Hungary’s national interests, becomes.
Hungary gave the West everything it wanted in 1989, and, as I pointed out here, its “reform” communist leadership was richly rewarded. But in 2014 it’s a very different story. In the interests of democracy and small countries standing up to bullying by powerful elites, long may Hungary’s spirited defiance continue.
Hajra, magyarok! Hajra Magyarorszag!
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Democracia centenária way of life.
Twice The Pride, Double The Fall...
Dutch (2014).Dutch escreveu:Sobre arrogância e soberba, desculpe-me se não fico passando açúcar no que escrevo, não sabia que num fórum de homens isto seria necessário.
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Ante Pavelić, Mile Budak, Mirko Puk e Milovan Žanić podem entrar como Heróis Croatas?Kozak escreveu:
Karadzic, Mladic, heróis Sérvios.
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Aí você tem que perguntar para eles. Para mim são todos subhumanos.Templo Jiu Jitsu escreveu: Ante Pavelić, Mile Budak, Mirko Puk e Milovan Žanić podem entrar como Heróis Croatas?
PS: Relativismo tem limite. Comparar o Pavelic com o Karadzic? Já que estamos no tópico da Ucrânia, vamos também comparar o Bandera com um desses insurgentes genéricos lutando no leste da Ucrânia. Já compararam o Putin com o Hitler e o Stalin, nada mais me surpreende.
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Senhores, alguma sugestão de leitura na internet para os menos letrados no assunto? 
Editado pela última vez por Lucao em 13 Nov 2014 12:40, em um total de 1 vez.
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
A minha comparação do Hitler com Putin foi apenas em relação a anexação.
Acredito que ele tentara apenas unir os povos de origem russa, apenas isso. Não tem nada a mais do que isso nessa comparação.
Acredito que ele tentara apenas unir os povos de origem russa, apenas isso. Não tem nada a mais do que isso nessa comparação.
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Templo Jiu Jitsu
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Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Pq não se pode comparar Pavelic com o Karadzic? A unica diferença é que um era Católico e CROATA e o outro Ortodoxo e Sérvio! Vejo vc falando de Tito ser um lixo por ser Croata, mas e esses criminosos de Guerra tão cruéis como Pavelic não são? Tigres de Arkan?Kozak escreveu:
Aí você tem que perguntar para eles. Para mim são todos subhumanos.
PS: Relativismo tem limite. Comparar o Pavelic com o Karadzic? Já que estamos no tópico da Ucrânia, vamos também comparar o Bandera com um desses insurgentes genéricos lutando no leste da Ucrânia. Já compararam o Putin com o Hitler e o Stalin, nada mais me surpreende.
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Os ustashas deixavam os SS desconfortáveis e tímidos. Tem que ter senso de proporção. Não precisa gostar do Karadzic, pode chamá-lo de criminoso de guerra - não concordo -, mas compará-lo ao Pavelic não...Templo Jiu Jitsu escreveu:
Pq não se pode comparar Pavelic com o Karadzic? A unica diferença é que um era Católico e CROATA e o outro Ortodoxo e Sérvio! Vejo vc falando de Tito ser um lixo por ser Croata, mas e esses criminosos de Guerra tão cruéis como Pavelic não são? Tigres de Arkan?
Arkanovi Tigrovi, tenho uma bandeira deles rs. CCCC!
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Arkanove Delije To su Hrabi MomciKozak escreveu:
Os ustashas deixavam os SS desconfortáveis e tímidos. Tem que ter senso de proporção. Não precisa gostar do Karadzic, pode chamá-lo de criminoso de guerra - não concordo -, mas compará-lo ao Pavelic não...
Arkanovi Tigrovi, tenho uma bandeira deles rs. CCCC!
Velike i Tigrovi, Srpski Dobrovoljci
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Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Svi ze JednogTemplo Jiu Jitsu escreveu: Arkanove Delije To su Hrabi Momci
Velike i Tigrovi, Srpski Dobrovoljci
HAHAHHAHAHA
Sabia! kkkkkkkk
Jedan za Sve
To su prave Delije
Gde je Jedan tu su Svi
ARKANOVI TRIGOVI!!!
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Marcelo BJJ
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Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Ehoscaralhoshock to en t en den do po rra ne m u ma
D ze nha por fav o r
D ze nha por fav o r
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
2Marcelo BJJ escreveu:Ehoscaralhoshock to en t en den do po rra ne m u ma
D ze nha por fav o r
Pessoal dos balcãs ,
deem uma forca ai pra nois com links 
Re: Tropas russas invadem a Ucrânia (again news)
Altos Σλάβοι no tópico!
Twice The Pride, Double The Fall...
Dutch (2014).Dutch escreveu:Sobre arrogância e soberba, desculpe-me se não fico passando açúcar no que escrevo, não sabia que num fórum de homens isto seria necessário.
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